by T Thu Aug 20, 2009 15:03

This image surmires the state of this country today and how the public feel. It explains the rapid rise of the above campaign.

Say no the baNAMA republic

by James Kelly Fri Aug 21, 2009 16:21

Well done on this initiative and the September 12 rally, I think it will catch fire. E Kenny can smell the smoke and came out today pledging to vote against the measure.

Does anyone know when the vote is being taken, will it be taken on September 16 ?

If that is the case the planned September 19th rally may be academic.

by Ordinary Joe Soap Fri Aug 21, 2009 17:07

Hi James, they're good points you make. Without disparaging the organisers of both protests; indeed I commend them for organising them; and I Will Be Present At Both Marches; I feel it can be a bit pointless marching to an empty Dáil (i.e. on a Saturday). They won't be there to hear our huge explosion of anger; and they'll just be laughing at us all the way to the bank; to excuse the pun. That's why I have issued a Call-Out For All Of Us To Organise an Anti-NAMA March to the Dáil on Wednesday, September 16th; the day that the Dáil is discussing (Possibly voting on?) the NAMA Legislation (See indymedia.ie article/93657). Of course I think that the Other Two protests Should Still Go Ahead; and I don't think that a March to the front gates of Leinster House on the Wednesday, the 16th will take away from the huge numbers that I think will also attend the two demos on the 12th and the 19th. Plus it will ratchet up the media coverage and interest to have a demo on the same day that NAMA is being debated in Dáil Eireánn.

by no to nama Sun Aug 23, 2009 00:31

There should be marches in all of the major cities, as most people won't be able to make it to Dublin. Plus the point needs to be driven home to the local politicians.

Any word on anyone organising anything on that front?

by Ordinary Joe Soap Sun Aug 23, 2009 07:55

Yes; you're dead right 'by no to nama'! "There should be marches in all of the major cities," but I would go further. Not only should "There should be marches in all of the major cities," there should be marches in all of the major towns in Ireland. For example; during the Irish Ferries National Day of Action a few years ago; not only were there there marches in all of the major cities, there were marches in all of the major towns; even in Rosslare; a fairly small town; where over a thousand people turned out. Unfortunately; 'by no to nama' I don't have any word yet on anybody organising anything on that front; but as soon as I hear anything about Marches outside of Dublin being organised; I will give all the information out here on Indymedia. If anybody else knows of Anti-NAMA protests outside of Dublin being organised please let us know.

by Angry Sun Aug 23, 2009 22:12

Best of luck, everyone with half a brain should turn up

by Bit Cynical Mon Aug 24, 2009 17:52

There are many campaigns and organisations who have been around for years fighting the good fight. Suddenly a guy comes along and is modest enough to call his newly minted group The Irish Peopoes Union!

Please! You would be better off working with the established groups who are trying to build real demonstations rather than engaging in this Walter Mitty style behaviour,

by Ordinary Joe Soap Mon Aug 24, 2009 18:24

The above 'comment' from 'Bit Cynical' is a Fianna Fáilure troll to deliberately disrupt and derail the mounting flood tide of opposition to the setting up of NAMA; who can't even spell properly. There's no such word as "Peopoes" 'Bit Cynical'. Can't you not even spell properly 'Bit Cynical' when you send a troll? I think that instead of being abused and insulted by anonymous (More than likely Fianna Fáilure) trolls; the people who set-up The Irish Peoples Union should be applauded for launching a Campaign Against the setting-up of NAMA and I'm 100% behind them; and I will be at both Anti-NAMA Marches already organised for Saturday, September 12th and Saturday, September 19th; and the one that will hopefully happen when the Dáil debates the NAMA Legislation on Wednesday, September 16th.

by Bit Cynical Tue Aug 25, 2009 19:14

My how you react to a little criticism!

My point is that no one knows who the organisers of this demo are. They (he?) have no track record of fighting against cuts, supporting strikers or supporting the unemployed. If anyone idslikely to be FF hacks then its a group that appears out of nowhere and organises a protest a week before one which is supported by trade unions and progressive organisations.

The IPU protest is likely to be tiny. This will then be seized on by the rightwing media to suggest that there is no real opposition to NAMA or cutbacks in an attempt to damage the GENUINE demos on 16 & 19 September,

Support those who have a track record, not those who have appeared from nowhere and who have the neck to call themselves the Irish Peoples Union.

The organisers of the demos on 16 & 19 September should make it clear that they have nothing to do with the self styled Irish Peoples Union.

by No to NAMA Wed Aug 26, 2009 01:11

Bit Cynical you wrote that "The IPU protest is likely to be tiny." I beg to disagree Bit Cynical. Judging from the feedback I'm getting the Anti NAMA March on September 12th is going to be massive as indeed are the two other Anti Nama Marches on September 16th and September 19th and I am actively encoraging everybody that I know to attend all three Marches and I will be on all three Marches myself. I don't know anybody involved with the Irish Peoples Union but it seems to me that they are ordinary men women and children otherwise known as 'the silent majority' who are not currently involved in any polticial organisations or parties but for whom the NAMA legislation is the final straw. It's great that these people are becoming politicised and they should be applauded and encoraged not discouraged just because they aren't members of any politicial party or organisation. If we were to start adopting that approach we would go nowhere and it would be the same boring couple of thousand people turning up for the same boring old March from A to B on the same boring old Saturday Marching to a building which is closed because it is a Saturday which makes the same old boring March on the same old boring Saturday pointless and irrelevant. Well I and many others have had enough of this dead end approach and we now know and realise that is time for a new approach and for fresh ideas.

by Jerry Cornelius Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:14

I have to admit that I'm not convinced about this. This "group" seem to have no experience of organising anything yet they call a demonstration when other demonstrations have already been organised. Surely it is best to work with other groups rather than to think that you have come down from the mountain with tablets of stone?

What if DCTU, WSM, SWP, SP, SF, Eirigi, CP, WP had all organised different demonstrations? People would say that it was crazy.

Well its equally crazy for the IPU, an organisation just set up, to call a seperate demonstration. I think its a case of hubris on the part of the founder.

by peadar oceallaigh Thu Aug 27, 2009 02:07

IRISH TIMES 26.8.2009

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2009/0826/1224253270329.html

what can you say, its a con costing €90 billion, it will commit Ireland to unpayable debt for ever our children and childrens children, and in a recession (when there is no money ? ) with mass unemployment, no schools for special needs, and cuts everywhere including vital cancer services..... there is €90 billion for a "bad bank" to get rid of debts the banks caused ? Its a huge con which the media is coaxing people to accept.

by Ordinary Joe Soap Thu Aug 27, 2009 16:16

Jerry, did you not even bother to read the very wise and sensible comments from No to NAMA above? I happen to think that they are speaking commonsense and they echo the views of the vast majority of people; especially those who are not yet politicised or members of campaigning groups or politicial parties; and I agree 100% with what No to NAMA says. I also agree with No to NAMA about the folly and uselessness that Marching to a building that's closed because it is a Saturday can sometimes be. I notice that you said nothing about that Jerry Cornelius. Do I take it that you agree Jerry about always having Marches on a Saturday; which be pointless at times because the offices are closed? That's not to knock the two Anti-NAMA Marches happening on Saturday the 12th and 19th of September; Both of which will be huge; and which I will be supporting; as well as whatever March occurs on the Wednesday; the 16th of September.

by JC Thu Aug 27, 2009 17:45

Obviously you did not read my comments.

To recap:

The "IPU" has no track record in organising protests nor has anyone publically associated with it.

Why did a group which appeared out of nowhere call a demo? Wasnt that a little arrogant? Wasnt it also arrogant for their founder to adopt such a title?

If the WSM, SP, SWP, SF, WP, DCTU all called seperate demos wouldnt that be regarded as an act of folly? Isnt it equally stupid for an organisation with no record to do so?

I have seen no evidence of the "IPU" being capable of doing somthing "different" on a a Saturday.

I think this is a case of arrogance that will be shown to be hubris on the part of the "IPUs" founder.

by Blacbloc Fri Aug 28, 2009 20:33

What the hell is this stupid group doing organising another march so close to the main one? It is utterly confusing for people. Im in no doubt that there are only two possibilities here: that the organisers are so arrogant and stupid that they don't see what they are doing or they are deliberately trying to confuse. I'm opting for the latter explanation: IPU are spreading their confusion elsewhere.

Anyone who is interested in protesting against NAMA should first and foremost attend the march on the 12th September, 2pm Garden of Remembrance. A lot of effort has gone into organising it.

by Patrick Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:04

According to an RTE report at http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0831/banks.html Minister for Finance Brian Lenihan is to appear before the Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance this afternoon at 2pm (which can be watched live on RTE apparently) to answer questions on the proposed legislation to establish the National Asset Management Agency.

In the belief that some of our government ministers might genuinely not be aware of all the reported dangers involved in what some of them are proposing to do, and having due regard for the fact that many such dangers are believed to be deliberately very well hidden, an e-mail was sent to a selection of our ministers this morning.

Among other things, the e-mail in question provides access to current information and concerns relating to the following statement by Nathan Mayer Rothschild:

"I care not what puppet is placed upon the throne of England to rule the Empire on which the sun never sets. The man who controls Britain's money supply controls the British Empire, and I control the British money supply."

The full text of this morning's e-mail can be viewed at:
http://www.humanrightsireland.com/DrAnneJeffers/31August2009/Email.htm